These are two roses that are on my property. Both are pretty hardy (I don't think either has been cared for in years). Can anyone help me narrow down what they are? I know the red one is a rambler. The pink I didn't even realize was a rose until this year when it flowered. I just thought it was an amazingly thorny vine mixed in with a bunch of other vines. The first two pictures are of the pink one, the second pair are of the red. If it helps, the red flowers look darker to me than they do on my computer screen. I tried to include both flower and foliage - not sure what other information would be most important. Sorry, I don't really know roses very well. Mike
